over rated?

**Queen Frostine** · March 31st, 2003, 01:28 PM

sorry, that was the word i was trying to remember...who is cinematically ignorant now?

**SoulJacker** · March 31st, 2003, 01:31 PM

I'm with Despin - Ratner has the ultra-**** going on. Rush Hour 2 fuckin' rulez.

**digital_biscuits** · March 31st, 2003, 01:57 PM

Terry Giliam- the greatest visionary of dystopia. I love the way every detial of his mise-en-scene is thought about- even textures of fabics. I dont think there is a director about now who can match his ability to cross over between political commentary, humour, and visuals.

Scorsese- When scorsese is in form, he is untouchable. No-one can tap the subtle character interplay or powerful set-piece like him. I think the biggest mistake he every did was accept $100m budget for GofNY- it was everythinh he isnt style over content.

Kubrick- A genius film-maker, who had the b@lls to back up his vision. 2001 is a landmark for sci-fi, clockwork orange is an amazinglye complex film thematically and visually, Full metal jacket- probably one of the best vietnam movies ever made (and certainly the nest vietnam movie made in greenwich!), and so on...

Cohen Brothers- Like Scorsese and the new hollywood directors of the 70's they are highly cine-literate and there films are like a mesh of inter-textuality. I love their visual style- it works so well with their intelligent, sly humour.

Sergio Leone- The man that re-contrustcted iconography of the western genre. Pre-Leone, it was all John Wayne and indian slaying. As for his later work "once upon a time in America"- probably up there with goodfellas/godfather as the finest gangster movies of all time.

**digital_biscuits** · March 31st, 2003, 02:03 PM

Brett Ratner? Are you serous? Rush Hour 1/2/3 are run, but its no classic. As for red dragon- i thought he could have got much better performances out of Hopkins and Norton- prob two of the finest, most intelligent actors working at the mo.

**Cinemaster** · March 31st, 2003, 02:51 PM

ok, i gotta give my two cents worth.

I can't think of a single director who hasn't made SOME bad films, for me the Godfather will always be the greatest film around but Coppola has made an awful lot of average (Apocalypse now) and **** (Jack) movies.

Kubrick i don't really appreciate (sorry queen), his earlier films were interesting (clockwork Orange, The Shining) but in later years his films just seemed so...clinical and soulless, and sorry but Eyes Wide Shut is just Indefensible [img]smile.gif[/img]

The Coen brothers are cool, their character work and visual style are excellent but could they at least PRETEND to finish the story? (the big lebowski)

The Wachowski brothers had a glorious start (bound) and have a clear visual style, but by making the matrix they have changed careers from directors to effects supervisors

Sergio Leone was a god, just rewatch the dollars trilogy and see just how much of his work is being reused today, but once upon a time in america is only ok.

James Cameron is pretty consistent, and his sci-fi work is a cut above, but he IS responsible for the worlds most overrated nightmare of a film

but the two most overrated have to be Ridley scott (directorial style consists solely of making scene 1 very green scene 2 very red scene 3 very blue and repeat as necessary) and
Steven Spielberg, ok Schindlers list was great and jaws was good even though it pretty much invented the braindead summer sfx movie, and of course raiders of the lost ark, buth the rest of his career pretty much just causes me physical pain. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I normally don't get involved in these kind of debates, they get me ranting like this!!! look what you've done!! [img]smile.gif[/img]

but seeing as you have me started a couple more points of contention

1.star wars is NOT the greatest film ever made
2.Pierce Brosnan is a better Bond than Connery
3.why? why? why? is roberrt deniro so respected? mumbly git [img]smile.gif[/img]

im done.....sorry

**ac_01** · March 31st, 2003, 03:27 PM

I've gotta jump in here an defend John Williams. The guy can do no wrong. I agree that some of his stuff has been heard before. But what other composers have created iconic themes? Sometimes he gets lazy but at times he proves his critics wrong. Just listen to his Catch Me If You can Theme. All composers tend to borrow from their other work... at least he isn't as bad as Elfman.

As for directors.... there's a load that don't cut it. Top of my overated list would have to be Steven Sodderbergh... hollywoods latest golden boy. I'll admit Traffic was good... but apart from that I see no reason to proclaim him the new Spielberg.

Who mentioned Ratner? Why? His filmography isn't the greatest but he had potential. I was curious to see what he would have done with Superman.

BTW, Cinemaster, I agree with your last three points! Brosnan all the way!

**SoulJacker** · March 31st, 2003, 05:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Brett Ratner? Are you serous? Rush Hour 1/2/3 are run, but its no classic. As for red dragon- i thought he could have got much better performances out of Hopkins and Norton- prob two of the finest, most intelligent actors working at the mo. </font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

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**Cinemaster** · March 31st, 2003, 07:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Queen Frostine:
titanic: was it really that bad? ok, so my perspective may be tinted because i was the perfect age for leomania when the film came out but apart for an appauling script, tacky melodramatic direction/camera angles etc and being an hour and a half too long, oh and disrespectful to history, it was kind of cool?? in an ironic way?</font></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

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